Monday, August 31, 2015

Mrs. Niles Responds For Voris: Michael Voris Is His Own Man No One Is Pulling His Strings! Only One Conclusion Follows........

"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
This is the only blog (for now) claiming that Michael Voris is his own man - he is not under the spell of Opus Dei or FSSP or someone funding his operation.

Many bloggers are making excuses for the behavior of Michael Voris.

This should stop - stop making excuses for the man. He is solely responsible for the content that appears on his CMTV 

This blog goes further than anyone else in stating that Michael Voris acts the way he does and says the things he does because Michael Voris is the forerunner to the Antichrist.

Here is further evidence from Mrs. Niles stating that Voris is solely responsible for his own views:
Mrs. Niles Responds For Voris: 
“Since I was included in this e-mail, I’ll briefly respond: “Tantum” had the opportunity at any time to pick up the phone & call Michael Voris or speak with this so-called “funder” — both of whose contact information he has — but never chose to do so, so we question the sincerity of this “cry of the heart.” 
His article is inaccurate, whether it’s about this “funder” (there is no “funder”), or the Vortex stats (all our content is aired on Vimeo, and stats show Vortex, Mic’d Up & our other content is more popular than ever), and no one at our apostolate, publicly OR privately, has ever “bashed” the Pope, so we reject his charge that there’s a double standard. One can express legitimate concerns about the Holy Father privately — as any faithful Catholic may do — without choosing to publicize his every misstep and scandalize the faithful. 
God bless.
Christine Niles
ChurchMilitant.com
Zelo zelatus sum pro Domino Deo exercituum”
Again Voris is the forerunner to the Antichrist.



Voris is Gary the Forerunner to the Antichrist.

Gary The Forerunner To The Antichrist Needs $30,000 To Cover The Synod! Still CMTV Won't Change A Thing At The Synod......


As we said,Church Militant is going back to Rome for the entire Synod. We'll be there for the entire month to bring faithful Catholics every bit of coverage you need and deserve to hear and see. We are sending a four-man team to cover every square inch of this story, and we need your help. Between international travel, accommodations, food, technology costs, transportation, etc. — all for four men for a month — it gets very costly very fast.

That's why we are asking for you to help pay for our costs, which will be close to $30,000 for the full month, so we are appealing to you to help us raise the needed 30k in 30 days so we can keep you updated on the story. Last year, you will recall we not only produced our daily Vortex episodes but also brought you up-to-the-minute reports following each daily press conference. CMTV Read More>>>>>


Sunday, August 30, 2015

Fr. Z Gun Nut & Stockpiler Of Weapons Now Incorporates Gun Analogy To Get His Point Across.......Remember That FSSP Priest That Was Killed With His Own Gun?


Back in the day, Lutherans who chased out the Catholics and took over the Catholic Churches used to shoot their pistols into the Church ceiling during the Gloria... Fr Z still carries on the firearm traditions of his heretical fathers...you see Fr. Z is a gun nut who has a stockpile of guns hidden away on his mountain top retreat lair.

I would have thought that Fr Z would have toned down his love of Guns after the murder of the FSSP Priest in Phoenix just over a year ago. The FSSP Priest was a lover of guns just like Fr. Z  and this FSSP priest was killed by his own gun when a homeless man broke into the Church and overpowered the two FSSP Priests.

But no Fr. Z is still hot and heavy for his guns:
Perhaps the firearms training many of us have undertaken is helpful as an analogy. First, you seek to avoid conflicts or deescalate them. When you can’t avoid violence you try to discern the level actually needed. Of course, this sometimes must happens in seconds. In the case that you are forced to act in defense of your life or the lives of others, you use deadly force to stop the threat. That means you shoot effectively to stop the threat. You don’t try to shoot the gun out of the enemy’s hand (this isn’t TV). You don’t shoot to hit the leg (because, again, this isn’t TV). You shoot center mass, to do maximum damage so the threat will stop, because … that’s the point you are at. You don’t shoot “to kill”. Shoot (or whatever) so that the clear, present danger to life and limb is no longer a threat. If a punch in the face or a kick in the ‘nads is enough, and the threat stops, then stop there. Stop punching and kicking. 
That’s an analogy from a few horrifying seconds of immediately conflict or threat. In prolonged situations, we have time to analyze our motives and consciences. Fr. Z's Blog Read More>>>
Why would a priest study murdering another with a gun?

This is the same priest who said he carries a gun on his person while saying Latin Mass! He is totally fucked in the head. And so are the morons who attend his masses.

Three things Fr. Z loves more than anything else:

1. Guns
2. Flying 
3. Food

This blog still says that Fr. Z's demise will be by one of the above or maybe a combination of all three.

More blog hits does not make for Orthodoxy, nor does it mean that God favors you.

And please ask yourself where does the Blessed Mother of God mention guns? Where? Oh...yea....
“J.M.J.

The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
Oh yea....bullets and arrows.....but those bullets are fired from guns held in the hand of men who kill the Fatima Pope and faithful...

Anyone out there starting to see that things are falling into place?

Fr Z is the spiritual father of Michael Voris - better known as Gary the Forerunner to the Antichrist.

Both Fr. Z and Gary hate the SSPX.

And this tells me that the Fatima Pope will come from the ranks of the SSPX. This would explain the soldiers on the mountain and the reason why they kill all those souls taking part in a religious procession.

Fr. Z is an evil man.

Saturday, August 29, 2015

GARY VORIS & CMTV TO EAT CROW OVER POPE FRANCIS' APPROVAL OF MEDJUGORJE?


Pope Francis to approve Medjugorje?

One would think that a heretic like Pope Francis would certainly approve of the false apparition. Pope Francis is not a 'mama's boy' as some Medjugorje fanatics like to call those devoted to the Blessed Mother. Pope Francis hates the Mother of God. All heretics hate the Mother of God. She is the crusher of heresies. One Day the Mother of God will crush the heresies of wicked Pope Francis.

CMTV calls Medjugorje for what it is - FALSE.

But CMTV also worships Pope Francis just like the followers of Medjugorje worship the false apparition.

Sooner or later Gary the forerunner to the Antichrist will be so publicly embarrassed by Pope Francis that Gary will retreat to a mountain top hide away.

Here is Gary attacking the false apparition at Medjugorje:


CMTV even has  their own talking points on the false apparition:
The latest from Christine Niles on Medjugorje:
In a homily at Casa Santa Marta, Pope Francis seemed to make a jab at Medjugorje pilgrims. He warned against various ways of watering down one's Christian identity — among them seeking "after novelty," including supernatural messages and apparitions. Such Christians forget who they are, he said, and they ask questions like, "Where are the visionaries who can tell us exactly what message Our Lady will be sending at four o'clock this afternoon?" CMTV Read More>>>>>
What I would like to see happen - is that Pope Francis condemns Medjugorje thus emboldening Gary the forerunner to the Antichrist in his perverted and twisted devotion to wicked Pope Francis thus furthering Gary's eventual destruction.

Or what I would like to see - is the look on Gary's face when Pope Francis approves of the false vision by paying a visit to Medjugorje - how would Gary handle that?


Either way Gary will be completely and totally destroyed.





Saturday, August 22, 2015

Michael Voris Should Challenge The SSPX Face To Face On A Mic'd Up Episode....

Gary
The Forerunner To The Antichrist


Why not debate face to face?

Just think the SSPX & Voris face off on Mic'd up.

Louie thinks that CMTV viewers would like to see a face to face debate:


In any case, those of you who are regular CMTV viewers and/or subscribers, tell me:

How interested would you be in watching Michael Voris interview a priest of the SSPX, live on air, for an hour or more?

I’m not talking about a cat fight here, but rather a straight forward, no holds barred, yet charitable, face to face conversation ordered toward discovering the truth and defending the faith.

I can’t speak for the Society, but knowing some of their priests as I do, I would venture to say that the only thing that they would ask in return is for a real opportunity to speak.

Does that sound like a program you’d like to watch?

If so, let Michael Voris know just how interested you are in that program. He may not accede to your wishes, but at the very least you’ll learn a thing or two about his make-up and his motives.

Remember who we’re talking about here:

This is the same Michael Voris who boldly challenged Cardinal Dolan face to face, without any fear that putting His Buffoonery on camera to answer for his behavior in his own words, in spite of his considerable charisma and stage presence, would somehow endanger the souls of impressionable viewers.

So don’t let him make that lame excuse for not challenging the SSPX face to face as, clearly, that dog won’t hunt.

At this, I ask your forgiveness… This rather general reaction to Voris’ latest anti-Society rant has gone a bit longer than expected, so much so that I will save more specific commentary relative to the points and counterpoints raised by both the Society and by Voris as it concerns the Novus Ordo for another post. Harvesting The Fruit Read More>>>>>>



JUST SAY NO TO THE SSPX LATIN MASS! Michael Voris Would Rather Have You Attend This New Mass! LOL!!


“Everywhere there will be extraordinary wonders, as true faith has faded and false light brightens the people. Woe to the Princes of the Church who think only of piling riches upon riches to protect their authority and dominate with pride. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

People will think of nothing but amusement. The wicked will give themselves over to all kinds of sin. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honors and pleasures, and the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Yes, the priests are asking vengeance, and vengeance is hanging over their heads. Woe to the priests and to those dedicated to God who by their unfaithfulness and their wicked lives are crucifying my Son again! The sins of those dedicated to God cry out towards Heaven and call for vengeance, and now vengeance is at their door, for there is no one left to beg mercy and forgiveness for the people. There are no more generous souls; there is no one left worthy of offering a stainless sacrifice to the Eternal for the sake of the world. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

“God will strike in an unprecedented way. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

“Woe to the inhabitants of the earth! God will exhaust His wrath upon them and no one will be able to escape so many afflictions together. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

“The chiefs, the leaders of the people of God have neglected prayer and penance, and the devil has bedimmed their intelligence. They have become wandering stars which the old devil will drag along with his tail to make them perish. God will allow the old serpent to cause divisions among those who reign in every society and in every family. Physical and moral agonies will be suffered. God will abandon mankind to itself and will send punishments which will follow one after the other for more than thirty-five years. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

“The Society of men is on the eve of the most terrible scourges and of gravest events. Mankind must expect to be ruled with an iron rod and to drink from the chalice of the wrath of God. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)


MARIA OF THE CROSS, 
Victim of Jesus nee MELANIE CALVAT, 
Shepherdess of La Salette 
"I protest highly against a different text, which people may dare publish after my death. I protest once more against the very false statements of all those who dare say and write First that I embroidered the Secret; second, against those who state that the Queen Mother did not say to transmit the Secret to all her people." Mélanie 

Thursday, August 20, 2015

Gary The Forerunner To The Anti-Christ Is Attacking The SSPX Position On The Stripped And Barren New Mass!

And they had hair as the hair of women. Apoc.ix.viii.

I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.

TRANSCRIPT

Well, let's get straight to it, shall we?

The SSPX, the Society of St. Pius X — a group of clerics and bishops who do not exercise any legitimate ministry in the Catholic Church owing to their refusal to submit to the authority and jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, owing to their doctrinal issues regarding Vatican II — have recently posted a video which says all you need to hear.

By the way, that assessment of the SSPX is that of Pope Benedict, merely repeated by ChurchMilitant.com.

First, here are the words of the video, full screen so you can see them for yourselves.

"This is the reason Catholics are not obliged to attend the New Mass to fulfill their Sunday precept."

and

"The New Mass is to be completely avoided as they understand it is an offense against God."

Lest anyone say we are misquoting or misrepresenting these quotes, here they are straight from the mouth of an official spokesman priest for the SSPX U.S.A. District straight from the home page of the SSPX.


Earlier the priest says the New Mass is a danger to souls.

Now stop for a moment and consider what this priest is saying: The New Mass, meaning the Mass of Pope Paul VI, the Novus Ordo, is an offense against God. A Mass approved by and offered by the popes of Our Blessed Lord’s Holy Catholic Church and nearly every single bishop is an offense against God. Further, you are instructed not to go to Mass on Sunday if you must go to a Novus Ordo, New Mass.

This is a classic case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Sure, there are abuses that occur in the New Mass owing to all kinds of issues that we point out here on the Vortex all the time.

But those abuses are just that — abuses. And they are to be placed at the feet of errant bishops, lazy unfaithful priests, dissident theologians and so forth. But to tell Catholics to stay home and not attend Mass on Sunday and refuse to fulfill their Sunday obligation to assist at the sacrifice of the Mass is beyond imagining. To call the Mass an "offense against God"? Are you serious? To encourage people to commit mortal sin by refusing to fulfill their Sunday obligation?

But it's good that this video is out there because now the mask can finally be taken off this renegade outfit.

Let us share with you what Pope Benedict says of them: "In order to make this clear once again: Until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church."

Those are the words of Peter himself, the Supreme Pontiff. He continued, "This will make it clear that the problems now to be addressed [by the SSPX] are essentially doctrinal in nature and concern primarily the acceptance of the Second Vatican Council."

The SSPX has played this game for decades now that their major issue has been the Traditional Mass versus the Novus Ordo, the New Mass. And while they certainly do have issues with the New Mass, their real problems — as the Pope himself says — are that they reject the Second Vatican Council — not have some questions about it, not want to sit down for discussions and more clarity, but doctrinal issues — doctrinal issues which place them outside the Church, not in full communion, as His Holiness phrased it — which is shorthand for schism.

The cheerleaders for the SSPX would have you believe that various prelates support them without an issue or doubt. Really?

Do they really expect that these prelates would support the notion that you must stay at home on Sunday and refuse to go to Mass and just say a private Rosary because the Mass you would be attending is the New Mass? Really?

Would these prelates that they pretend are all in on the SSPX — would they really say that the New Mass is an offense — an offense — against God?

Yet this is exactly, precisely, without any ambiguity, no clarification needed, what the official mouthpiece of the SSPX says — right out loud for the whole world to hear: The New Mass is to be avoided; you are not obliged to attend it on Sundays; it is an offense against God.

Even in the face of the Pope himself, they say they pray for him and put his picture up in their buildings, and they obey him — until they don't. They decry the Mass. They encourage people to mortal sin. They defy the Pope. They refuse the obedience due him.

If that doesn't constitute a schism, pray tell, what does?

Even Bp. Robert Morlino of Madison, Wisconsin had to issue a statement last week saying that this group — the SSPX — was to be avoided: "Have nothing to do with them."

He instructed:

The priests of the SSPX, because for the most part they were ordained illicitly (i.e., by a bishop who had no jurisdiction over them and no permission to ordain), they are suspended ipso facto from the moment of their ordination. ... [T]hey have no permission from the Church, which is necessary, to exercise priestly ministry. Their Masses are valid but are illegitimately celebrated. Catholics should not frequent SSPX chapels or seek sacraments from the priests of the SSPX.

Pray for the leaders of the SSPX to abandon their disobedience and for the supporters to understand (as so many of them already have) that when you cut yourself off from Peter, you are lost, no matter how Catholic it may look.

You don't break away from the Church to fix it. That's what Martin Luther did — a man who was every bit convinced of the rightness of his position as the SSPX is today.

Think about it: "The Mass is an offense against God." "It is to be completely avoided." "The Society has no canonical status in the Church." "Its ministers do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." "The problems now to be addressed are essentially doctrinal."

That is quite a mouthful.

Whom do you choose? The Pope — or an outfit with no canonical status whose ministers do not legitimately exercise any ministry?

Friday, August 14, 2015

Michael Voris & Church Militant.Com Crew & Fathers Of Mercy CPM Break Dancing To Rap Music: THERE IS NO ONE LEFT TO BEG MERCY FOR THE PEOPLE!!!

Frs. Joseph and Jewel Aytona of the the Fathers of Mercy
People will think of nothing but amusement. The wicked will give themselves over to all kinds of sin. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

“The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honors and pleasures, and the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Yes, the priests are asking vengeance, and vengeance is hanging over their heads. Woe to the priests and to those dedicated to God who by their unfaithfulness and their wicked lives are crucifying my Son again! The sins of those dedicated to God cry out towards Heaven and call for vengeance, and now vengeance is at their door, for there is no one left to beg mercy and forgiveness for the people. There are no more generous souls; there is no one left worthy of offering a stainless sacrifice to the Eternal for the sake of the world. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879) 
“God will strike in an unprecedented way. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

Gary the forerunner to the Antichrist invited  Fr. Peter Stryker of the Fathers of Mercy, on his mic'd up to discuss the apparitions of the Blessed Mother...Of course Our Lady of La Salette was never mentioned....

Here is the Mic'd up episode  MIC’D UP—AMERICAN APPARITIONS OF OUR LADY

You wonder why God is about to strike in an unprecedented way? It is because of men like Voris & the break dancing priests of the Fathers of Mercy.....


Thursday, August 13, 2015

Official Policy Of Michael Voris & Church Militant.Com: THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY HAS BEEN DONE!

Fr. Gruner
(b. 4 May 1942 – d. 29 April 2015) 

Latest comment from the camp of the forerunner to the Antichrist Gary Voris on whether or not the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has been done is found in the comments on the post titled Persecution: A Blessing in Disguise? by Michael Lofton August 12, 2015.

There answer from the Church_Militant_Moderator is YES! The Consecration to the Immaculate of Mary has been done!

This is further evidence that Gary Voris and crew are heretics and Gary is the forerunner to the Antichrist: Along with Voris' defense of wicked Pope Francis, Voris' persecution of the SSPX and those laity who attend the SSPX masses we can know add that Voris believes that the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has been done!

What new folly will Church Militant.Com embrace? Stay tuned.


Church_Militant_Moderator: 
EWTN gives a good response to this general question "Has Russia been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary" https://www.ewtn.com/expert/an... A good historical dateline is provided there.

Specifically, the Church has said that the consecration has been done and Sister Lucy appears to have confirmed this or, at least, said the consecration done has been "accepted" by Heaven. Therefore, to continue to "advocate" contrary to what the Church says in this regard is to sow division and distrust of the Church and, in effect, place Mary in opposition to the Vicar(s) of Christ.

It is inconceivable that Our Lady would ask that Catholics listen to her and judge the popes and bishops as disobedient liars for not having obeyed her, but this is the practical effect of individuals and movements organized around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us that they have."

Think about it. Would Our Lady place herself above the Vicar of Christ and expect Catholics to obey her and ignore the Church? Even if it is true that popes and bishops have "disobeyed" the direct request of Our Lady (and I propose this for the sake of argument only) there is no way that Our Lady would encourage people, practically, to separate themselves from "submission to the Roman Pontiff" (part of the canonical definition of schism) and to submit to her instead. If one starts to follow Our Lady as "pope in practice," then we cease to follow the visible Church and the Vicar of Christ and create a kind of "Marian Catholic Church" in opposition to the visible "Roman Catholic Church."

Since CM does, in fact, "submit to the Roman Pontiff" and the authority of the Church, and since the Church has said that the consecration has been done, who are we (or anyone else) to say that it has not? What fruits can come from continuing to insist that the consecration has not been done beyond increased separation of Catholics from the Chair of Peter?

The Church says the consecration has been done. Sister Lucy confirmed that it has been done. Those who say it has not are already or well on their way into the dark land of schism. It is inconceivable to us that Our Lady would smile on those who have organized their lives and apostolates around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us. Listen to Our Lady and ignore the Church." Church_Militant_Moderator


Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #8


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX


FaithfulCatholic
Good news to those who got married in the SSPX and now can't stand their "spouse":
You're not really married!

That will be all ...

Woman In White TO FaithfulCatholic 
It's the one point where the Bishop's statement may not be correct -- there is likely to be no doubt regarding validity if the couple has been to the mandatory *Diocesan* Confessional, attends a Diocesan Sunday Mass either immediately before or after the Marriage Rite, and has otherwise fulfilled all their obligations -- for it is they who provide the Sacrament, not a priest.

There could be doubt in particular circumstances, but these should not be presumed.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod TO Woman In White 
The canonical form of marriage requires witness by the local bishop or one to whom he has delegated this authority, typically the parish priest. Since no Society priests or bishops have this authority, they cannot act as witnesses for the Church and, therefore, any marriages they witness are not sacramentally valid. The couple are the ministers of the sacrament, but sacramental validity requires an authorized witness. Sorry. Bishop Morlino has it right.

FaithfulCatholic TO Church_Militant 
Thanks again for providing a clear and concise response CMM!

Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #7


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX


JuanOskar JayMaynes
It's hard for me to even discuss this because it confuses me. The thing with the SSPX is they believe there hasn't been a pope since Pius X.??? Yes, that's strange. ??? Did you know we have bishops and priests in the true "Holy Roman Catholic Church" that believe gay sex is understandable, and that you can have a Sacramental Marriage, divorce, then a civil wedding with the young cute waitress from Applebee's? And everything is cool? Did you know some bishops and priests of the true "Holy Roman Catholic Church" will give communion to "Catholics" profiting from abortion and infanticide, AND never say a word about the gang murder on the Mexican border and the holocaust of Christians in the Middle East!!!??? Yea, maybe it’s good advice to stay away from the SSPX weirdoes. Lord have mercy…….JO

Skyline TO JuanOskar JayMaynes
The SSPX is not a sedevacantist orginization, they recognize Pope Francis as a legitimize successor to Peter. They take issue with Vatican II and the undeniable catstrophy that resulted from the council. Remember, even Saint Paul rebuked Saint Peter (the first Pope) when Peter spoke in error.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To Skyline
The only difference between sedevacantists and the Society is that sedevacantists say there is no Pope to disobey while the Society says that there is a Pope but they don't obey him. At the level of life and action, there is no discernible difference between the two, which is why we call one "hard sedevacantists" and the other "soft sedevacantists." Both lives and act as if there is no Pope.

Yes, the last several decades have been a catastrophe. That doesn't justify leaving the Church as a response.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To JuanOskar JayMaynes
So, are you suggesting that schism is okay so long as there is a good reason for it?

Isn't this how all Protestants rationalize their existence?

Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #6


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX

Ioannes To striving
I sympathize with them because I know how it feels like to feel as if you're in a different religion or denomination every Sunday. We're told by Michael Voris to leave the Church of Nice, but where will we go? It's either the SSPX, or go to another state for the FSSP Mass, which only occurs when Venus is in transit across Sagittarius during days that have "ember" in them.

Meanwhile, the craziness in Mass is widespread. Can you not see the injustice of having to accept a Mass that only appeared during the 60's while being discouraged to go to a Mass that existed for more than 1,000 years? That the Mass which was once widespread, now you can barely find? It was intentional, it was planned, and I hate this fact, because it also means it's not the last thing they'll ever do, whoever "They" are.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To Ioannes
Injustices all around, for sure.

You don't leave the Church over it.

Sympathy for the pain which drives people to leave the Church. No sympathy for actually doing so.

Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #5


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX

Willing to die for Jesus 
Rod Dreher, of the The American Conservative, wrote an article in July 2014, I can't post the link but it was headed: "If France Stays Catholic, It Will Be Traditionalist" (9th July 2014)

Here's the telling parts of Dreher's analysis, which are also citing links from another source about the (dire) state of French Catholicism, so sad as France has been the Eldest Daughter of the Church... so many French Saints.. it's unspeakably sad:

"Today, in 2014, only two percent of active Catholic priests in France are traditionalists — barely a blip. But if they sustain their present rate of ordinations, and the non-traditionalist priesthood continues its present rate of decline, in the year 2038, more than half the Catholic priests in France will be traditionalists.

That’s 24 years from now, as far into the future from us as 1990 is in the past.

The bad news — catastrophic news, really — is that France will go from having nearly 15,000 active Catholic priests today to having just over 1,000, all within 25 years.

If Catholicism is going to survive in France, it will be because of the Traditionalists. As Centurio puts it:

So in conclusion, if the Roman Catholic faith will be saved from secularism in France, it will be the achievement of the traditional groups of priests celebrating the Traditional Mass such as FSSPX, FSSP and ICRSS.

Archbishop Lefevre’s vindication, seems like."

Personally, I have never attended neither a TLM nor the Lefebvrist-aligned churches (I don't like the word sedevacantist). I was born in the early 80s, I'm Novus Ordo all life. I've been encouraged to look into the TLM and viewed videos and the TLM services aren't far away. I am sympathetic to the majesty beauty of the TLM... because I recall our Eastern Orthodox Sister Churches were pleading with the Second Vatican Council not to drop the Latin Mass, to no avail... and how beautiful the Eastern Liturgies are... and possibly our eventual Re-Communion may bring back the TLM since Protestants, I feel were the reason for the whole "Protestantized" Vat-II problems.. and Protestantism (especially mainline, but even the ever splintering evangelicals going through a crisis right now) have fallen into apostasy with the utterly abominable acceptable of homosexual "marriage", women priestesses and Bishops in the mainstream Canterbury-based Anglican Church, many Lutherans also doing the same.. so I keep on saying Catholics please focus East... and pray for an end to the Schism.. we are the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. We need to be re-united. The Great Schism is scandalous, but we both share Apostolic Succession, I'm preaching to the choir here, not a Protestant sect website I know.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To  Willing to die for Jesus 
No matter how much evil in the Church you wish to document, the response of schism is still a sinful and evil response to it.

Tuesday, August 11, 2015

Athanasius Schneider Versus Fr. Paul Nicholson On The SSPX LOL!!!

Athanasius Schneider and Paul Nicholson

Adelante la Fe: Your Excellence has recently visited the SSPX [seminaries] in the United States and France. We know it was a “discreet” meeting but, can you make an evaluation for us of what you saw and talked with them about? What expectations do you have of a coming reconciliation and which would be the main obstacle for it?



Mons. Schneider: The Holy See asked me to visit the two [seminaries] of the SSPX in order to conduct a discussion on a specific theological topic with a group of theologians of the SSPX and with His Excellency Bishop Fellay. For me this fact shows that for the Holy See the SSSPX is not a negligible ecclesiastical reality and that it has to be taken seriously. I am keeping a good impression of my visits. I could observe a sound theological, spiritual and human reality in the two [seminaries]. The “sentire cum ecclesia” of the SSPX is shown by the fact that I was received as an envoy of the Holy See with true respect and with cordiality. Furthermore, I was glad to see in both places in the entrance area a photo of Pope Francis, the reigning Pontiff. In the sacristies there were plates with the name of Pope Francis and the local diocesan bishop. I was moved to assist the traditional chant for the Pope (“Oremus pro pontifice nostro Francisco…”) during the solemn exposition of the Blessed Sacrament.

To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are. This was indeed Archbishop Lefebvre’s petition to the Holy See: “Accept us as we are”.

I think the issue of Vatican II should not be taken as the “conditio sine qua non”, since it was an assembly with primarily pastoral aims and characteristics. A part of the conciliar statements reflects only its time and possesses a temporary value, as disciplinary and pastoral documents do. When we look in a two millennia old perspective of the Church, we can state, that there is on both sides (Holy See and the SSPX) an over-evaluation and over-estimation of a pastoral reality in the Church, which is Vatican II.

When the SSPX believes, worship and conducts a moral [life] as it was demanded and recognized by the Supreme Magisterium and was observed universally in the Church during a centuries long period and when the SSPX recognizes the legitimacy of the Pope and the diocesan bishops and prays for them publicly and recognizes also the validity of the sacraments according to the editio typica of the new liturgical books, this should suffice for a canonical recognition of the SSPX on behalf of the Holy See. Otherwise the often repeated pastoral and ecumenical openness in the Church of our days will manifestly lose its credibility and the history will one day reproach to the ecclesiastical authorities of our days that they have “laid on the brothers greater burden than required” (cf. Acts 15:28), which is contrary to the pastoral method of the Apostles.

Monday, August 10, 2015

MAN ERUPTS DURING CATHOLIC CLIMATE CHANGE MEETING. WANTS HIS CHURCH BACK.



“Evil books will be abundant on earth and the sprits of darkness will spread everywhere a universal slackening of all that concerns the service of God. They will have great power over Nature: there will be churches built to serve these spirits. People will be transported from one place to another by these evil spirits, even priests, for they will not have been guided by the good spirit of the Gospel which is a spirit of humility, charity and zeal for the glory of God. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

MARIA OF THE CROSS, 
Victim of Jesus nee MELANIE CALVAT, 
Shepherdess of La Salette
"I protest highly against a different text, which people may dare publish after my death. I protest once more against the very false statements of all those who dare say and write First that I embroidered the Secret; second, against those who state that the Queen Mother did not say to transmit the Secret to all her people." Melanie 

Sunday, August 9, 2015

Pope Francis + Andrea Bocelli + Amazing Grace July 2015 VERSUS Michael Voris Commentary On Amazing Grace May 2010 LOL!!

Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #4


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX

wayne costello
why aren't the clergy as vociferous and assertive about condemning abortion as they are about faithful Catholics? I accept the criticism labelled against the sspx but I find it distasteful that more time tends to be devoted to those who are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ professing absolute values in accordance with Christ's teachings yet liberal sections of the Church receive disproportionate or no criticism. I have come across websites who label themselves Catholic yet promote the right to choose abortion or demand women priests, same sex marriage ceremonies to take place in Churches etc where is the condemnation of these heretics? The liberal conservative schism is already happening whether the Vatican like it or not and because the curia is largely operated by liberal relativists who want a charismatic ala carte religion emphasising non absolutes contrary to the teachings of Christ. I recognise that one should love the sinner and not the sin, and as a perpetual sinner myself by virtue of my fallibility as a human being I believe that to be a noble position but what seems to be lost is the issue of the dichotomy between sin and sinner. The Church seems to promote a variant of tolerance forgetting that tolerance by definition requires dislike of the object itself. Moreover, when Jesus healed sinners he disnt stop there but cried " go sin no more", that part of the narrative seems to be conveniently forgotten. We seem to have a Church that promotes the reception of the sacraments absent meaning and grace. We have silence in the Church when liberal "catholic" ( lower case emphasised) politicians and advocates proudly support heinous acts abortion without sanction in the form of ex communication from the Church...why? because the hierarchy are invariably a pool of libertarians that have no stomach to fight for what is right but rather promote those causes by omission and silence in the meantime 3300 little souls die daily. How many Bishops have criticised Amnesty International and their pro abortion stance which changed since 2007 ( prior to that they were still guilty by omission and sitting on the fence neutral policy. Amnesty's official policy is that they "do not promote abortion as a universal right" but "support the decriminalisation of abortion....The Church issued a lukewarm condemnation centrally from the Vatican yet where is the real opposition? Yet, the hierarchy have no problem lambasting certain traditionalist Catholics ( I accept the criticism labelled against the sspx and its condemnation of V2)? In my own jurisdiction, Ireland , we have an ineffective poor leadership that has allowed abortion, soon to be on demand in my opinion, to prevail while idiotic heretical politicians who supported the policy to freely receive communion. What we need is a man of courage and integrity to inherit the Petrine legacy which is founded on martyrdom. These days many modern clergymen wouldn't like their personality criticised let alone give their lives for Christ ( ps I am not advocating violence but rather a return to passion the same demonstrated by Christ preceding his crucifixion.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To wayne costello
Yes, bishops should be addressing these other important issues, and they are not. But that doesn't mean it is wrong to address an issue as important as schism, which is the devil's particular temptation for the pious.

Many souls are already lost to sins of the flesh. It is important for bishops to address issues like the SSPX because they often tempt "the best and the brightest" to leave the Church, weakening the Church Militant in the battle against evil.

The pious are deceived by schism and false apparitions / private revelations. This is why these apparently smaller issues get the attention of bishops.

wayne costello To Church_Militant_Moderator
I never said it was wrong...I said they don't approach these issues with same vociferousness and veracity. As for the SSPX tempting the faithful away is analogous to blaming the mistress for the infidelity instead of the state of the marriage...a happy marriage means no one will leave...tempted perhaps but not leave. The Church is weak and has become obsessed with popularity. I would much prefer a small but devoted Church that stood for something rather than a popular one that stood for nothing. The Prussian KIng Frederick II once remarked " to stand for everything mean to stand for nothing" which seems to be the adopted stance of the Church on social and moral issues. I accept there must be a Church to survive in the first place to promote righteousness but by the same token tiny Innocents lost to abortion cannot even be determined "brightest and best " as they aren't given the chance to develop and exit the womb in one piece.. The pious are deceived by a lot including their own ego and pride . The distortion of the truth and morality inherent in natural law and justice discoverable only through reason as espoused by a great father of the Church Tomas Aquinas is not being taught in schools nor the topic of sermons. Where is the catechism? we only read about diluted distorted versions through the prism of a politically correct Church . The Church will survive even if it is whittled down to a few devotees.. in the same way it started with Christ and the apostles but in that it was its purest.....little fetus wont have the opportunity to have their voice heard let alone discuss or defend against a schism.

Consuelo
The SSPX is in communion with Rome. As a member of this society, I can assure you, that we are not sedevancantists, but we do not accept the V II. Rumor has it that we are schismatics, but unlike the sedevancantists, Mons.Fellay is seeking to build better relationships with Rome, so he's really doing something about it. the Pope is currently dealing with these matters.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To Consuelo
If the SSPX is in communion with Rome, they sure have an odd way of showing it! No, they are not sedevacantists in principle, but they are in practice.

"The SSPX, for all their many good qualities, are not faithful Roman Catholics because communion with the Chair of Peter is a constitutive part of Roman Catholicism, something the SSPX accepts in principle but rejects in practice. They have "no canonical status," "no legitimate ministry," are "invited to rediscover the path to full communion," have no faculties from any bishop, are not part of the divinely ordained hierarchical structure of the Church, and all their priests are suspended a divinis. No individual or group can seriously claim to be Catholic and have all this true of themselves."

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