12 AUGUST 2015
First - a questions put forth by a reader: Has Russia been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
Persecution: A Blessing in Disguise? by Michael Lofton August 12, 2015.
First - a questions put forth by a reader: Has Russia been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary?
Persecution: A Blessing in Disguise? by Michael Lofton August 12, 2015.
The answer from the Church_Militant_Moderator is YES! The Consecration to the Immaculate of Mary has been done!
This is further evidence that Gary Voris and crew are heretics and Gary is the forerunner to the Antichrist:
Along with Voris' defense of wicked Pope Francis, Voris' persecution of the SSPX and those laity who attend the SSPX masses
We can now add that
Voris believes that the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has been done!
Along with Voris' defense of wicked Pope Francis, Voris' persecution of the SSPX and those laity who attend the SSPX masses
We can now add that
Voris believes that the Consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary has been done!
What new folly will Church Militant.Com embrace?
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
Church_Militant_Moderator:
EWTN gives a good response to this general question "Has Russia been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary" https://www.ewtn.com/expert/an... A good historical dateline is provided there. Specifically, the Church has said that the consecration has been done and Sister Lucy appears to have confirmed this or, at least, said the consecration done has been "accepted" by Heaven. Therefore, to continue to "advocate" contrary to what the Church says in this regard is to sow division and distrust of the Church and, in effect, place Mary in opposition to the Vicar(s) of Christ. It is inconceivable that Our Lady would ask that Catholics listen to her and judge the popes and bishops as disobedient liars for not having obeyed her, but this is the practical effect of individuals and movements organized around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us that they have." Think about it. Would Our Lady place herself above the Vicar of Christ and expect Catholics to obey her and ignore the Church? Even if it is true that popes and bishops have "disobeyed" the direct request of Our Lady (and I propose this for the sake of argument only) there is no way that Our Lady would encourage people, practically, to separate themselves from "submission to the Roman Pontiff" (part of the canonical definition of schism) and to submit to her instead. If one starts to follow Our Lady as "pope in practice," then we cease to follow the visible Church and the Vicar of Christ and create a kind of "Marian Catholic Church" in opposition to the visible "Roman Catholic Church." Since CM does, in fact, "submit to the Roman Pontiff" and the authority of the Church, and since the Church has said that the consecration has been done, who are we (or anyone else) to say that it has not? What fruits can come from continuing to insist that the consecration has not been done beyond increased separation of Catholics from the Chair of Peter? The Church says the consecration has been done. Sister Lucy confirmed that it has been done. Those who say it has not are already or well on their way into the dark land of schism. It is inconceivable to us that Our Lady would smile on those who have organized their lives and apostolates around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us. Listen to Our Lady and ignore the Church." Church_Militant_Moderator
EWTN gives a good response to this general question "Has Russia been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary" https://www.ewtn.com/expert/an... A good historical dateline is provided there. Specifically, the Church has said that the consecration has been done and Sister Lucy appears to have confirmed this or, at least, said the consecration done has been "accepted" by Heaven. Therefore, to continue to "advocate" contrary to what the Church says in this regard is to sow division and distrust of the Church and, in effect, place Mary in opposition to the Vicar(s) of Christ. It is inconceivable that Our Lady would ask that Catholics listen to her and judge the popes and bishops as disobedient liars for not having obeyed her, but this is the practical effect of individuals and movements organized around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us that they have." Think about it. Would Our Lady place herself above the Vicar of Christ and expect Catholics to obey her and ignore the Church? Even if it is true that popes and bishops have "disobeyed" the direct request of Our Lady (and I propose this for the sake of argument only) there is no way that Our Lady would encourage people, practically, to separate themselves from "submission to the Roman Pontiff" (part of the canonical definition of schism) and to submit to her instead. If one starts to follow Our Lady as "pope in practice," then we cease to follow the visible Church and the Vicar of Christ and create a kind of "Marian Catholic Church" in opposition to the visible "Roman Catholic Church." Since CM does, in fact, "submit to the Roman Pontiff" and the authority of the Church, and since the Church has said that the consecration has been done, who are we (or anyone else) to say that it has not? What fruits can come from continuing to insist that the consecration has not been done beyond increased separation of Catholics from the Chair of Peter? The Church says the consecration has been done. Sister Lucy confirmed that it has been done. Those who say it has not are already or well on their way into the dark land of schism. It is inconceivable to us that Our Lady would smile on those who have organized their lives and apostolates around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us. Listen to Our Lady and ignore the Church." Church_Militant_Moderator
13 October 2015
New post on the miracle of the Sun:
New post on the miracle of the Sun:
Of interest is this comment:
Rambler • 14 hours ago Consecrate Russia to the immaculate Heart of Mary!
rehtus333 Rambler • 12 hours ago It was in 1984. Russia is part of "World." Communism fell in Russia and Sister Lucy said the 1984 consecration was valid.
Rambler rehtus333 • 11 hours ago I used to think that too. But then I read into it more and I believe the full and public consecration of Russia alone must be completed.
rehtus333 Rambler • 12 hours ago It was in 1984. Russia is part of "World." Communism fell in Russia and Sister Lucy said the 1984 consecration was valid.
Rambler rehtus333 • 11 hours ago I used to think that too. But then I read into it more and I believe the full and public consecration of Russia alone must be completed.
Church Militant gives same response that yes the consecration has been done:
Church_Militant_Moderator Mod Rambler • 10 hours ago
EWTN gives a good response to this general question "Has Russia been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary" https://www.ewtn.com/expert/an... A good historical dateline is provided there. To be specific, the Church has said that the consecration has been done and Sister Lucy appears to have confirmed this or, at least, said the consecration done has been "accepted" by Heaven. Therefore, to continue to "advocate" contrary to what the Church says in this regard is to sow division and distrust of the Church and, in effect, place Mary in opposition to the Vicar(s) of Christ. It is inconceivable that Our Lady would ask that Catholics listen to her and judge the popes and bishops as disobedient liars for not having obeyed her, but this is the practical effect of individuals and movements organized around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us that they have." Think about it. Would Our Lady place herself above the Vicar of Christ and expect Catholics to obey her and ignore the Church? Even if it is true that popes and bishops have "disobeyed" the direct request of Our Lady (and I propose this for the sake of argument only) there is no way that Our Lady would encourage people, practically, to separate themselves from "submission to the Roman Pontiff" (part of the canonical definition of schism) and to submit to her instead. If one starts to follow Our Lady as "pope in practice," then we cease to follow the visible Church and the Vicar of Christ and create a kind of "Marian Catholic Church" in opposition to the visible "Roman Catholic Church." Since CM does, in fact, "submit to the Roman Pontiff" and the authority of the Church, and since the Church has said that the consecration has been done, who are we (or anyone else) to say that it has not? What fruits can come from continuing to insist that the consecration has not been done beyond increased separation of Catholics from the Chair of Peter? The Church says the consecration has been done. Sister Lucy confirmed that it has been done. Those who say it has not are already or well on their way into the dark land of schism. It is inconceivable to us that Our Lady would smile on those who have organized their lives and apostolates around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us. Listen to Our Lady and ignore the Church."
EWTN gives a good response to this general question "Has Russia been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary" https://www.ewtn.com/expert/an... A good historical dateline is provided there. To be specific, the Church has said that the consecration has been done and Sister Lucy appears to have confirmed this or, at least, said the consecration done has been "accepted" by Heaven. Therefore, to continue to "advocate" contrary to what the Church says in this regard is to sow division and distrust of the Church and, in effect, place Mary in opposition to the Vicar(s) of Christ. It is inconceivable that Our Lady would ask that Catholics listen to her and judge the popes and bishops as disobedient liars for not having obeyed her, but this is the practical effect of individuals and movements organized around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us that they have." Think about it. Would Our Lady place herself above the Vicar of Christ and expect Catholics to obey her and ignore the Church? Even if it is true that popes and bishops have "disobeyed" the direct request of Our Lady (and I propose this for the sake of argument only) there is no way that Our Lady would encourage people, practically, to separate themselves from "submission to the Roman Pontiff" (part of the canonical definition of schism) and to submit to her instead. If one starts to follow Our Lady as "pope in practice," then we cease to follow the visible Church and the Vicar of Christ and create a kind of "Marian Catholic Church" in opposition to the visible "Roman Catholic Church." Since CM does, in fact, "submit to the Roman Pontiff" and the authority of the Church, and since the Church has said that the consecration has been done, who are we (or anyone else) to say that it has not? What fruits can come from continuing to insist that the consecration has not been done beyond increased separation of Catholics from the Chair of Peter? The Church says the consecration has been done. Sister Lucy confirmed that it has been done. Those who say it has not are already or well on their way into the dark land of schism. It is inconceivable to us that Our Lady would smile on those who have organized their lives and apostolates around "The Church has not obeyed Our Lady and is lying to us. Listen to Our Lady and ignore the Church."
Rambler Church_Militant_Moderator • 7 hours ago
I am not saying that it has not been done. I saying that it should be done the way that the Virgin Mary asked for it to be done.
Full public consecration of Russia. Not the world, not England along with Russia, but Russia specifically.
I do think that a consecration was done that included Russia. But Russia has not been Consecrated directly.
Much good has happened in regards to the consecration of the world, but the full consecration of Russia alone, as specified by Our Lady has not.
So you can argue with my position all you like, everyone, even the Pope cannot deny what I am saying and many others agree with me.
Also I watched an interview Michael Voris had with his father the other day and he seemed to make the same point I made. Also I watched an interview with Father Gabriele Amorth, former vatican exorcist, who also said the same thing.
He went on to say, that although the consecration has been accepted, God is offended that the direct consecration of Russia has not been done as the Virgin Mary requested. He then went on to say that eventually the consecration will be done in full, but it will not be until very late...
So this is not a schismatic point of view as you suggested.
Church Militant & Voris still hold that the fact that Consecration has been done.
Voris is a heretic. The Only reason Voris holds to the Consecration being done is because Voris wants you to believe that the vision of the killing of the Fatima Pope has also been completed in the person of Pope John Paul II, so that this terrible event is behind us.
As this blog has warned time and again Voris is the main candidate to be the forerunner to the Antichrist who will one day murder the Fatima Pope and faithful thus earning his title as forerunner to the Anti-Christ.
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